tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post8896376015885127784..comments2023-10-31T14:13:40.328+00:00Comments on Big Big Train: Illegal downloadingGregory Spawtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03196915153035297756noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-54431156035258399672011-02-22T20:45:43.161+00:002011-02-22T20:45:43.161+00:00legally ro illegally, i can't find any way to ...legally ro illegally, i can't find any way to acquire your two demos. this saddens me.... :-(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-64070691519486341332010-12-04T15:58:53.958+00:002010-12-04T15:58:53.958+00:00I played the new EP to a friend at dinner last nig...I played the new EP to a friend at dinner last night and he ordered before I had left. If I had played it for my nephew, he likely would have looked for a download, but with the volume of music he listens to he probably would only play a couple of times. So the question is whether you grow sales over time from the illegal downloading. I think you have done all the right things and managed the Internet as well as any band out there today.Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17397482590936205504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-91074947481969824452010-11-30T20:27:14.178+00:002010-11-30T20:27:14.178+00:00for independent bands, the internet is a great opp...for independent bands, the internet is a great opportunity to reach the fans in the whole world. i also think, that your strategy is working very well! nice contact, fair prices and very good music. i doubt, that there are bigger losses due to illegal downloads. the most progressive rock fans are collectors, they want the hardware, a nice booklet. they are really interested in music and they enjoy paying money for cds, concerts... the people who download your songs, probably also download many many other songs from other artists. i don't think that they would buy your cd if they have not the chance to download this one illegal... just my two cents..Jacques Duraqueshttp://www.myspace.com/charlesdexterwardbandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-47381097013886619782010-11-28T15:57:08.034+00:002010-11-28T15:57:08.034+00:00I'd just like to second what freeman and Jonat...I'd just like to second what freeman and Jonathan said. Your strategy works perfectly with me and obviously others as well. Of course there will always be some black sheep and I understand your occasional doubt whether you're on the right track. I think you are.<br /><br />Looking forward to AoS and EE!Markusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-494485239382473132010-11-26T08:25:41.893+00:002010-11-26T08:25:41.893+00:00Although it's frustrating, I doubt you lose ma...Although it's frustrating, I doubt you lose many sales through illegal downloading. If you create a fan, as in my case, they are likely to buy your back catalogue. The free download of The Underfall Yard made me do just that. It's little different in the writing field. I've seen so many of my stories turn up on torrent sites and even in foreign magazines without a penny coming my way. But in the end, if I make a fan maybe it's worth it. Let's be honest, anybody who listens to FSDT and doesn't become a fan is never going to become a fan (and is an idiot). Colin P DaviesColin Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13538394028885426370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-71748554574352944402010-11-25T21:05:24.347+00:002010-11-25T21:05:24.347+00:00I agree with most of the comments above. I'm p...I agree with most of the comments above. I'm particularly with Alice, with her sense that lovers of independently produced music such as BBT don't have to be passive consumers. We can help promote music we love through our own networks - a win-win approach for band and fan alike, since doing what we can to spread the word helps these musicians carry on both financially and creatively.jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-75238198928706027152010-11-23T16:09:32.274+00:002010-11-23T16:09:32.274+00:00I can understand how annoying it must be to see wh...I can understand how annoying it must be to see what you've produced with so much creativity, care and hard work appear all over the net for free, and then being reviewed and rated by people who didn't pay a penny for it. I really love your music and, personally, would be happy to pay several times the price of what you currently sell your CDs for- which I've always found quite shockingly low! These past two years BBT has risen to the top spot among my favourite bands (and I listen to a lot of prog), and I try to promote the band to friends and acquaintances as much as possible. However, the truth is that many younger people these days download pretty much all of their music from torrent sites and don't have any sense that what they're doing is wrong. Unfortunately, I can't see that there's much one can do about the illegal downloading problem... Oh, and Far Skies Deep Time is brilliant; I can hardly wait to hear English Electric and the re-release of Age of Steam!AliceYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-43396754766334737652010-11-23T12:42:20.458+00:002010-11-23T12:42:20.458+00:00To put a positive spin on the things you have done...To put a positive spin on the things you have done ie the low prices, the bundle deals, the friendly correspondence etc, they do work!<br />I am living proof of that, and have bought several titles from you for those very reasons. There's a heck of a lot of music out there, and a finite amount of cash, but the things you do have sent sales your way that may well have gone elsewhere.<br />None of that addresses the thorny issue of illegal downloads, but it does lend support to your way of doing things. <br />Keep it up!Jonathan McKernienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-32867797706775882522010-11-23T11:07:40.874+00:002010-11-23T11:07:40.874+00:00In my case it's like fleeman wrote, a friend p...In my case it's like fleeman wrote, a friend played songs from the difference machine at his local radio station and I just bought, directly from you, all CDs available now, and the difference machine I got as a gift. The only reason I don't know the "Bard" is that it is not available any more ;-).<br /><br />Apart from all that I guess if not enough start thinking about why in western societies "coolness" and a strange wish to follow others dominates - things won't change a bit. Postmodernists everywhere tell you it's uncool to act politically. Well... But if we don't, things around us change anyway... It is not that much different from many of us trying not to pay taxes! As a result the poorer get - poorer. Our societies turn into "65% rich, 35% very poor" ones.<br />It really is wrong not to mention things like what gets on your nerves. One idea for the future many have now is that all deserve a guaranteed basic income (this comment is far too long to elaborate the idea here^^; rest assured that it would work.). Musicians would benefit like millions of for-ever-unemployed and more from it. No, people wouldn't stop stealing other's works. But the producers had something to live, and from that day on the honest customers would ADD to that basic income. There are many ideas like those, as the problem you rightly mention won't go away any time soon. It is here since 10-15 years, and not many thoughts have gone into this for fear of being - uncool. 65% of people have far more money than people in 1970 - and yet many steal all music they listen to. Pale-faced fragile egos dominate us! Well, no ;-))). But maybe you know what I mean. <br />And keep up the great work, I love the EP!Georgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-26207455505933054062010-11-23T11:05:23.776+00:002010-11-23T11:05:23.776+00:00I find your post great, as just saying nothing bec...I find your post great, as just saying nothing because the crack-kids don't read anyway isn't the best answer too.<br /><br />Sometimes the words allowed for 1 comment are not enough. I split this^^.<br /><br />As a private musician I know many stories like yours from developers. Their copy-protection didn't prevent people to crack and steal the software, but occasionally disturbed the users (I searched weeks for a bug for Native instruments and their system - and got nothing in reply^^).<br />Some noble developers sell their stuff without "hard" copy protection like dongles - they put the username into the reg-file. Probably that can be changed too, but sometimes this way they found out who actually uploaded their work.<br /><br />That said - I only bought mp3s once in my life. It came from AOL and I couldn't play the files, one from David Gilmour and one from Bob Dylan, due to some strange copy protection. <br /><br />I never downloaded any CD or song without paying for it - but then, who would say he or she never listened, or listened often, to songs uploaded to youtube...<br />Like you say, the problem is not so much that a few people steal. Problem is people who of course before it was easy (internet) sat before their radios, waited patiently for hours then recorded songs to tape recorders. Yet int hose times a majority went into a shop and bought the LP. Today there are the majority of bands who start up and even make money with first CDs - and don't pay a penny for their software. Of course if they would sell big, they would hate stealing...<br />It just is seen as "uncool" to buy, and as we all know, in western societies many things are about "being cool". It affects your sales, of course.Georg Friesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-17016132673684515642010-11-23T11:00:01.660+00:002010-11-23T11:00:01.660+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Georg Friesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-90162014814306789662010-11-23T08:06:17.819+00:002010-11-23T08:06:17.819+00:00My son was listening to a Coldplay album on the co...My son was listening to a Coldplay album on the computer the other day. I don't own any Coldplay so I asked him if he was on Spotify or something. 'No, I downloaded it' was his casual reply. He's 9 years old.<br />How I yearn for the good 'ole days when a new release meant getting a bus down to the (independent) record shop and buying it.Steve Dunstannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-58357899875123047572010-11-22T21:03:49.176+00:002010-11-22T21:03:49.176+00:00Hi Greg,
it hasn't necessarily to be one of y...Hi Greg,<br /><br />it hasn't necessarily to be one of your customers, who uploaded the torrent. From another branch of industry (software) I know, that the leak mostly comes from the CD manufacturer. There is absolutely nothing you can do against it. :(<br /><br />I just want to say, that your music is the greatest I discovered in the past 10 years (or even more). Thanks also to the German "Bayblaue Seiten", who made The Difference Machine as Album of the Month exactly 3 years ago. Without that I wouldn't have found you (just to say something positive about raters). But I also know that some of the raters of the BBS are on your mailing list. :)<br /><br />Keep on the excellent work! Cant't wait for the Age of Steam and even more, English Electric!<br /><br />Sers, MatDMatDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-32173589643714801552010-11-22T18:29:59.522+00:002010-11-22T18:29:59.522+00:00I tend to agree, Rob and I've hesitated to put...I tend to agree, Rob and I've hesitated to put my thoughts into writing. I don't follow the Martin Orford line on this issue (although I can understand his viewpoint.)<br /><br />Maybe, just maybe, those with a slightly wobbly moral compass can be convinced if the independent bands debate the issue?<br /><br />I guess most of us are where fleeman is. I've only ever downloaded bootlegs, but I've certainly copied albums on CDR (some of which I've gone on to buy.)Spotify has helped me to sample music and buy in confidence.<br /><br />Thank you for mentioning your blog, Lorenzo. I've linked to it from the BBT blog.Gregory Spawtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03196915153035297756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-38648479697443900252010-11-22T14:02:49.656+00:002010-11-22T14:02:49.656+00:00I have to suppress irritation every time a search ...I have to suppress irritation every time a search on our album turns up a load of torrent sites. But I think that the great majority of the people who listen to our music have a working moral compass. If they don't buy it, it means they didn't really like it all that much to start with. And trying to stop it means a) haranguing your customers and b) sitting in your throne at the shoreline shouting "GO BACK GO BACK".<br /><br />I normally don't bother mentioning it, as the people who are going to nick it are never going to read what you wrote.Robert Ramsayhttp://www.tinyfish.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-68200418170320215182010-11-21T13:26:36.879+00:002010-11-21T13:26:36.879+00:00Right! As a music lover I try to spread the word a...Right! As a music lover I try to spread the word about the bands that I love as much as I can with my blog (altprogcore) without giving any link to download sites. I think that if you really love an artist you have to support him buying his stuff. <br /><br />Since I started my blog I supperted BBT music...and my support will continue on paper in the next month issue of italin Genesis fanzine "Dusk" (www.dusk.it) with a positive review of FSDT EP.<br /><br />Hope this will help to spread the word even more.Lorenzo Barbaglihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01699335632555426781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8440667673901774474.post-61874024248841793612010-11-21T12:35:37.170+00:002010-11-21T12:35:37.170+00:00I can completely understand your frustration. I mu...I can completely understand your frustration. I must say, your strategy has worked at least in my case (including your pricing policy - who could resist a CD for £6 - and what a great CD). I thought you were crazy putting the whole "Underfall Yard" track out free, but after downloading it I went on to buy the album. Listened to "The Difference Machine" for weeks on Spotify and just had to buy it. I have to admit to a few illegal downloads myself - they are all of albums I almost certainly wouldn't buy. Where I downloaded something I went on to love (e.g. Magenta "Seven"), I went on to buy the whole back catalogue and the remastered "Seven". Sticky area, but hopefully mostly positive, despite the frustrations. Keep it up!fleemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07590968771671957685noreply@blogger.com